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  • mercurialmind 1:26 am on February 12, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , optimism, , tardiness, temperament   

    Is it possible to be chronically depressed and optimistic at the same time? 

    Is it possible to be chronically depressed and optimistic at the same time?

    A couple of months ago I came across an article in Elite Daily about people who tend to run late and one common feature was that they were optimists. I am one of those people and I tend to run around 5 minutes late for most of my appointments. I can remember being late for school in fifth grade and having to sprint to school most days. A positive byproduct of this was I won a number of awards in track and field. Despite the lack of awards for most of my life this pattern continues and for some reason it is hard to break.

    What struck me as odd when I read the article was that it seemed inconsistent/at odds with being Dsythymic. Aren’t depressed people negative about everything or at least most things? From my perspective I am negative about most things however when it comes to multitasking and estimating time I am curiously rather optimistic.

    According to the article one common feature of the chronically late is that they tend to be optimistic. Somewhat unexpected. I have usually thought of people who run late as possibly unmotivated/ self absorbed /undisciplined /unorganized /disagreeable but never as optimistic. More specifically, people who are late are apparently bad at estimating how much time it takes to do something and tend to be more big picture types of people.

    A second article in the NYT said that the chronically late tend to either be addicted to the adrenaline rush of a deadline or feel good about accomplishing so many tasks in a short period of time. Many late people tend to optimistic and unrealistic, she said, and that affects their perception of time.

    They really believe that they can go for a run, pick up the clothes at the dry cleaners, buy groceries and drop off the kids at school in an hour. They remember that single shinning day 10 years ago when they really did all those things in 10 minutes flat, and forget all those other times when everything took much, much longer. (NYT 2007)

    In a third article on the topic, by the same researcher as the one in the NYT, mentioned some more characteristics.

    DeLonzor identified links between chronic lateness and certain personality characteristics, including anxiety, low self-control and a tendency toward thrill-seeking( Huffington Post 2013)

    The researcher mentioned two additional reasons for chronic lateness. A third group consists of absent minded professors who might have ADD. The fourth group consists of the rebel who likes to annoy people with their lateness and this could be due to feelings of inferiority. Making others wait makes them feel more important. The fourth group is the least common.

    When thinking about myself the adrenaline rush makes some sense in regard to depression since my depression is the low energy variety where anything that causes an adrenaline rush would conceivably correct for the defect. I remember writing most of my papers for English literature the night before. I simply could not be creative without the threat of a deadline. I can also identify with the type who tries to accomplish many things with in a short period of time. I t makes me feel very efficient and productive. Either explanation could give a depressive a nice dopamine rush. The rebel explanation is also somewhat relatable too however in my case it has more to do with rebelling against societies values. In my opinion being five minutes late isn’t that terrible and there are more important things to focus on in life such as solving problems and being creative. What is also interesting here is the fact that being on time is of more importance with people who have lower rank in society. Medical doctors are notoriously late but are not chastised like others with lower status.

    The idea that late people hold onto or focus on a time in their life when they were the most productive is rather interesting and I can definitely relate. Even though I have chronic depression, I still do focus to a great extent on my euthymic periods when I was very productive. I don’t hear this from most Dsythymics who seem to embrace their depression to a greater degree. This makes me wonder in turn if my real personality is quite different than my Dsythymic one.

    It also occurred to me also that arriving too early for an appointment causes me anxiety and one article supported the idea of mental illness playing a role. Sitting somewhere and waiting without anything to do tends to heighten my anxiety. If one is running late one is occupied with doing something on the way to an appointment. Additionally, it annoys me to a degree that my life revolves around other people that I often don’t like. I guess the remedy for this would be to take along a book so that I am doing something I enjoy while waiting for an appointment.







    • agirlanddepression 1:02 am on February 16, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Oh my goodness!! I was wondering the exact same thing– whether I could be an optimist even with dysthymia. I actually do procrastinate on everything (I’m supposed to be doing hw right now) because I have the (delusional) idea that everything will be OK and it’ll all work out in the end. This seems to make so much sense with this article. Thank you!

      • flourburst 2:41 am on February 17, 2018 Permalink | Reply

        Lol, this article is me to a tea. I live with Dysthymia, diagnosed in 2004. I have mastered getting ready for appointments, work and outings in 15 minutes. That’s because I have always had the optimism that more can be done in less time. My original reply was craftier but after logging in to word press it was gone. I wonder if people without dysthymia can understand how much it really is like walking uphill in life. I’ve recently taken to saying to myself “if I do ‘x’ then I will have ‘x'” as a way to motivate myself step by step by step. That way an achievement is felt for that effort because it really is deserved when it feels like such effort! Congratulations to all the survivors out there

        • moodinreview 12:03 am on February 20, 2018 Permalink

          Yes, the same here, I try to fit too many things into a small amount of time maybe due to multitasking being valued by society.

    • indigorhythms 2:18 am on February 17, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      There is so much negativity about a diagnosis of Dysthymia in comparison to Bipolar so it made me feel a little better, as well, to read that I might be an optimist. It also made me question whether the diagnosis is accurate in my case. Thanks for the comment. 🙂

  • mercurialmind 6:50 pm on February 1, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , mbti, , temperament   

    Dysthymia, personality disorders and the MBTI 


     I had been diagnosed with Dysthymia (Persistent Depressive Disorder) in the past and was reluctant to accept the diagnosis. Even though I have spent most of my life dealing with depressive like symptoms, for some reason I refused to identify with the label completely. In the past, when a teenager and young adult, I experienced mostly depression and occasionally brief(~4 hr) euthymic/hypomanic periods. As I have stated in my about section, I experienced severe depression in the morning and euthymia/hypomania in the evening with quite a regularity. Many clinicians would describe this as diurnal variation in the context of a mood episode but I am not so sure.

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  • mercurialmind 8:35 pm on July 28, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Temperament could predict diagnosis and presenting symptoms 

    Your temperament could affect your diagnosis, presenting symptoms, and psychopathologic conditions. The results of a recent study indicate that distinguishing between the various temperaments of irritable, depressive, hyperthymic, and cyclothymic might be helpful.

    The study researchers report that in their study of 129 patients, hyperthymic temperament showed a preferential association with bipolar I disorder (BD-I) and bipolar disorder not otherwise specified diagnoses (BD-NOS), whereas depressive temperament was more frequent in patients with bipolar II disorder (BD-II) and major depressive disorder (MDD).

    Anxious and depressive temperaments were more frequent in current depressive and mixed episodes compared with manic ones, while irritable temperaments were most frequent in mixed episodes and in patients suffering from alcohol dependence compared with nondependent patients.

    Additionally the study showed that hyperthymic temperaments protected against depressive and anxiety symptoms while it increased the temperamentssusceptibility towards manic symptoms. In contrast depressive, irritable, and cyclothymic temperaments increased the susceptiblity towards psychopathologic sysmptoms such as somatization, and interpersonal sensitivity.
    The authors conclude by suggesting that temperament be taken into consideration when diagnosing and treating. Given the small size of the study and cross sectional design, the study needs to be replicated by others.

    • mercurialandquixotic 5:17 pm on August 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I was told I have Bipolar Type 1 but I only had Hyperthymic characteristics while on anti-depressants, and one a year the two years I was on them. I am mostly melancholic, introverted, and depressed. Is it possible you got the type1 and type 2 mixed? Or is my doc completely wrong?

      • indigomind 6:33 pm on August 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        This study was on the small side so the association could be different when replicated in a larger study. I’m not clear whether you experienced mania while just on antidepressants or not? People that just experience mania/hypomania while on antidepressants are referred by some bipolar experts as Bipolar IV while people who experience mania without anitdepressants as Bipolar I.
        Here is a link to a site that explains the various types. http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/bipolar-spectrum-categories

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